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But tons of people do what Berdych does. To me it's not a big deal. I mean when you do as much celebrating as Nadal your bound to get someone to immatate you. Look at Hewitt
a lot of people doing it is irrelevant. many people do bad things, but because it happens in numbers is far from justifying it.
you can no compare Nadal and Hewitt. there is a HUGE difference between the two, Hewitt does his "Come on's!" to mess with his opponent, Nadal does it to pump himself up. players know that, it's why you rarely see anybody get upset over Nadal's "Vamos!". Many things Berdych did was in bad taste yesterday, he should not be upset over the crowd because he brought much of it onto himself. _________________
But both Nadal and Hewitt's antics get on players nerves at times causing other player to immatate it. I don't see the big deal. It is rude but it happens, it's not uncommon _________________
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I don't see any problem with imitating your opponent's celebrations. Any player is allowed to do what they want. If they thnk doing it will pump them up, then why not? After Nadal hits a very good shot and he jumps up in the air, that can be intimadting or annoying. There's no problem with the opponent doing the same thing.
But tons of people do what Berdych does. To me it's not a big deal. I mean when you do as much celebrating as Nadal your bound to get someone to immatate you. Look at Hewitt
I think that a wrong thing is wrong, no matter how many people do it.... _________________ "Satan is behind Illegal Immigration."- Don Larson, Utah County Republican Tennis Wallpapers, presented by leftys_rock and myself
Roger Federer Roger Federer will attempt to become the first player in the Open Era to win 10 or more titles in three consecutive seasons after blitzing David Nalbandian 6-4, 6-0 to reach the final of the Madrid Masters Saturday. The ATP World No. 1 will play Chilean No. 1 Fernando Gonzalez in Sunday's final. (Watch online live)
Federer, who won 11 titles in 2004 and '05, has the opportunity to win his 10th title of 2006 in the Madrid final. Already Federer is the first player since Ivan Lendl in 1981-82 to win 80 matches in a season in consecutive years.
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By defeating Nalbandian Federer improved to 81-5 on the year and is now one win away from topping his career-best 81-4 season, set last year.
For the first time in his pro career, Federer moved into positive territory in his head-to-head series with Nalbandian, who won their first five pro meetings but now trails the Swiss 6-7.
Federer opened a 4-2 lead in the first set but, as is often the case, Nalbandian produced his best tennis when his back was against the wall. He broke Federer but then, as he was back on serve, the Argentine slipped to 0/40. But he again produced the goods when he was behind, clawing back to level the set at 4-4.
David NalbandianBut it would be the last game that Nalbandian (pictured left) would win. Federer clipped 28 winners to eight in the match and conceded just nine points to Nalbandian in the second set.
Federer is chasing his sixth different Tennis Masters Cup shield. The only player with more than five different shields is Andre Agassi, who won seven different shields among his record total of 17.
Federer's dominance at No. 1
Federer is seeking to win a record-equaling fourth Masters Series shield in a season for the second consecutive year and an unprecedented 11th shield in three years.
Despite the heavy defeat Nalbandian made significant progress in Madrid. He was on the verge of a first-up defeat when down 2-5 in the third set against Julien Benneteau. But by reaching the semifinals for the third consecutive year he surged to No. 6 from No. 8 in the INDESIT ATP Race, greatly boosting his chances of qualifying for Tennis Masters Cup, where he is the defending champion.
Tenth seed Fernando Gonzalez advanced to his first ATP Masters Series final after crushing 11th seed Tomas Berdych 6-3, 6-1 in 53 minutes. Gonzalez dropped just seven points on serve for the match and did not face a break point in his fourth Masters Series semifinal appearance of the year.
Gonzalez, who reached last week's Vienna final, has won 14 of his past 18 matches and has now reached the semifinals or better in four of his past five outings.
Berdych, who took out second seed and defending champion Rafael Nadal in the quarterfinals, was broken four times. Berdych won last year's Paris Masters Series title. _________________ A fan of "that French backhand dude"
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I don't see any problem with imitating your opponent's celebrations. Any player is allowed to do what they want. If they thnk doing it will pump them up, then why not? After Nadal hits a very good shot and he jumps up in the air, that can be intimadting or annoying. There's no problem with the opponent doing the same thing.
there is a difference between pumping yourself up, and doing a BLATENT imitation of your opponent. the latter is trying to upset your opponent. _________________
I don't see any problem with imitating your opponent's celebrations. Any player is allowed to do what they want. If they thnk doing it will pump them up, then why not? After Nadal hits a very good shot and he jumps up in the air, that can be intimadting or annoying. There's no problem with the opponent doing the same thing.
there is a difference between pumping yourself up, and doing a BLATENT imitation of your opponent. the latter is trying to upset your opponent.
Nadal upsets his opponents by doing it in the first place. If Nadal does it, Berdych has every rite.
This is terrible sportsmanship!!! Absolutely disgusting. Imitating Nadal is trying to annoy him for start and silencing the crowd for backing their man is ridiculous.
You didn't even answer my scenario leftys at all. Agassi gets more cheering/jeering than anyone else by Americans...you would be fuming if Berdych acted like that towards him, absolutely disgusted.
So would you dav if Berdych did that to Henman.
See it from all angles, not just your own... _________________ Tennis is in the mind...
not the body.
This is terrible sportsmanship!!! Absolutely disgusting. Imitating Nadal is trying to annoy him for start and silencing the crowd for backing their man is ridiculous.
You didn't even answer my scenario leftys at all. Agassi gets more cheering/jeering than anyone else by Americans...you would be fuming if Berdych acted like that towards him, absolutely disgusted.
So would you dav if Berdych did that to Henman.
See it from all angles, not just your own...
I didn't say anything about Berdych silencing the crowd, I don't think it is right. The crowd can do what they want, it is because of them the event is held.
When Nadal jumps into the air, he is pumping himself up but also annoying the opponent. He knows that it gets into his opponents head. He does this with Federer alot and looks even around at him to make eye contact. Berdych hit a good shot and was doing the same thing. He did it to show Nadal that he is also pumped up. I'm not saying there is any problem with jumping into the air or whatever, as most should be able to deal with it. But, I think both players should be able to do it.
This is terrible sportsmanship!!! Absolutely disgusting. Imitating Nadal is trying to annoy him for start and silencing the crowd for backing their man is ridiculous.
You didn't even answer my scenario leftys at all. Agassi gets more cheering/jeering than anyone else by Americans...you would be fuming if Berdych acted like that towards him, absolutely disgusted.
So would you dav if Berdych did that to Henman.
See it from all angles, not just your own...
To be quite frank, I felt very sorry for Pavel, Baghdatis, and Becker. Having every single error cheered, faults cheered, etc. It wasn't good sportsmanship at all, but it was at least somewhat deserved. _________________ www.freewebs.com/tenniswallpapers by myself and x.doublea
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I don't see any problem with imitating your opponent's celebrations. Any player is allowed to do what they want. If they thnk doing it will pump them up, then why not? After Nadal hits a very good shot and he jumps up in the air, that can be intimadting or annoying. There's no problem with the opponent doing the same thing.
there is a difference between pumping yourself up, and doing a BLATENT imitation of your opponent. the latter is trying to upset your opponent.
Nadal upsets his opponents by doing it in the first place. If Nadal does it, Berdych has every rite.
when has anbody complained about it? the only time I can remember is Ljubicic after the French, and his opinion hardly counts because he was ranting over Nadal in that presser. Nadal is considered by the players to be on of the BEST sports in tennis, finding anybody who has problems with him is hard. _________________
But honestly, just as a question, what exactly IS the difference between say, Hewitt's "CMON!"s and Nadal's "VAMOS!"s? Not that it is to pump himself up, you have no idea if that is honestly what he is doing or if it is the opposite. But one thing is that Nadal is generally very respectful in his press conferences, Hewitt, not so much. But that doesn't automatically imply that his fist pumps are only to pump himself up, not getting in his opponent's face. _________________ www.freewebs.com/tenniswallpapers by myself and x.doublea
GS winners of 06! Mauresmo(AO, Wimbledon), Henin-Hardenne(FO), Sharapova(USO), Federer(AO, Wimbledon, USO), and Nadal(FO)
But honestly, just as a question, what exactly IS the difference between say, Hewitt's "CMON!"s and Nadal's "VAMOS!"s? Not that it is to pump himself up, you have no idea if that is honestly what he is doing or if it is the opposite. But one thing is that Nadal is generally very respectful in his press conferences, Hewitt, not so much. But that doesn't automatically imply that his fist pumps are only to pump himself up, not getting in his opponent's face.
When Hewitt does it (he doesn't do it that much anymore, he has cooled quite a bit since he got married) you can see, with his glare and also how he is just screaming at his opponent, that he is trying to rattle his opponent. Nadal does some looking at his opponent, but it isn't the same "Drop dead" look Hewitt gives. Nadal also doesn't scream it right at his opponent. People like Hewitt, Henin, and sometimes Sharapova seem to try and bully their opponents. Nadal doesn't have that same air over his fist pumps. _________________
I don't see any problem with imitating your opponent's celebrations. Any player is allowed to do what they want. If they thnk doing it will pump them up, then why not? After Nadal hits a very good shot and he jumps up in the air, that can be intimadting or annoying. There's no problem with the opponent doing the same thing.
there is a difference between pumping yourself up, and doing a BLATENT imitation of your opponent. the latter is trying to upset your opponent.
Nadal upsets his opponents by doing it in the first place. If Nadal does it, Berdych has every rite.
when has anbody complained about it? the only time I can remember is Ljubicic after the French, and his opinion hardly counts because he was ranting over Nadal in that presser. Nadal is considered by the players to be on of the BEST sports in tennis, finding anybody who has problems with him is hard.
Nadal clearly annoys other players when he does this. If he is going to do it, then there should be no problem with Berdych doing it aswell.
I don't see any problem with imitating your opponent's celebrations. Any player is allowed to do what they want. If they thnk doing it will pump them up, then why not? After Nadal hits a very good shot and he jumps up in the air, that can be intimadting or annoying. There's no problem with the opponent doing the same thing.
there is a difference between pumping yourself up, and doing a BLATENT imitation of your opponent. the latter is trying to upset your opponent.
Nadal upsets his opponents by doing it in the first place. If Nadal does it, Berdych has every rite.
when has anbody complained about it? the only time I can remember is Ljubicic after the French, and his opinion hardly counts because he was ranting over Nadal in that presser. Nadal is considered by the players to be on of the BEST sports in tennis, finding anybody who has problems with him is hard.
Nadal clearly annoys other players when he does this. If he is going to do it, then there should be no problem with Berdych doing it aswell.
I must have missed him "clearly annoying" other players. I have yet to see any one complain over it.
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