Percy896's Tennis Forum Forum Index Percy896's Tennis Forum
This is a new tennis forum to discuss professional tennis, vote and create polls, and ask advice about equipment, fitness, or anything regarding tennis! Now with a new Fantasy Tennis League!
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   Join! (free) Join! (free)
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Percy\'s Fantasy Tennis News Ticker
ATP Changes
Page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Percy896's Tennis Forum Forum Index -> Pro Tennis Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Please Register and Login to this forum to stop seeing this advertsing.






Posted:     Post subject:

Back to top
x.doublea
Legend
Council Member
Legend<br>Council Member


Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 8252


Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


Well, I think on-court coaching is the worst thing that has happened to the sport. I said this before, but I'll say it again, Federer was totally correct: a tennis match is like an exam. You should be left out there alone to figure your way through the match. This is the real challenge of tennis. Now that's vanishing into thin air....
_________________
"Satan is behind Illegal Immigration."- Don Larson, Utah County Republican
Tennis Wallpapers, presented by leftys_rock and myself
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
leftys_rock
Legend
Council Member
Legend<br>Council Member


Joined: 31 Dec 2005
Posts: 9114


Location: I'm over there.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


If you remember at the WTA Champs last year, Sharapova tanked her match against Petrova because she had already made the SF and was "conserving energy." Who wants to watch a tanked match? Money is honestly not a big deal unless your one of the lower ranked players who lives week by week. And I think right now, tennis is attempting to "modernize". It's not working, so the associations should stop trying. I don't think they realize that the on court coaching didn't work apart from a handful of players.
_________________
www.freewebs.com/tenniswallpapers by myself and x.doublea
GS winners of 06! Mauresmo(AO, Wimbledon), Henin-Hardenne(FO), Sharapova(USO), Federer(AO, Wimbledon, USO), and Nadal(FO)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
J-man
Grand Slam Champion
Grand Slam Champion


Joined: 11 Dec 2005
Posts: 4635


Location: I'll have to get back to you on that

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

x.doublea wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


Well, I think on-court coaching is the worst thing that has happened to the sport. I said this before, but I'll say it again, Federer was totally correct: a tennis match is like an exam. You should be left out there alone to figure your way through the match. This is the real challenge of tennis. Now that's vanishing into thin air....
The thing is most of the WTA players like that. I don't think many players will like the Round Robin format. To many players are going to reject it and it won't work in the end, hopefully Smile
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
J-man
Grand Slam Champion
Grand Slam Champion


Joined: 11 Dec 2005
Posts: 4635


Location: I'll have to get back to you on that

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leftys_rock wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


If you remember at the WTA Champs last year, Sharapova tanked her match against Petrova because she had already made the SF and was "conserving energy." Who wants to watch a tanked match? Money is honestly not a big deal unless your one of the lower ranked players who lives week by week. And I think right now, tennis is attempting to "modernize". It's not working, so the associations should stop trying. I don't think they realize that the on court coaching didn't work apart from a handful of players.
Well I look like a complete idiot Embarassed Rolling Eyes (see last post)
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
leftys_rock
Legend
Council Member
Legend<br>Council Member


Joined: 31 Dec 2005
Posts: 9114


Location: I'm over there.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


Well, I think on-court coaching is the worst thing that has happened to the sport. I said this before, but I'll say it again, Federer was totally correct: a tennis match is like an exam. You should be left out there alone to figure your way through the match. This is the real challenge of tennis. Now that's vanishing into thin air....
The thing is most of the WTA players like that. I don't think many players will like the Round Robin format. To many players are going to reject it and it won't work in the end, hopefully Smile


Really? So far, the only ones that I really see using it regularly are Hingis and to some degree Kuznetsova. I would really not call it a sucess. What's the point of putting a microphone on Melanie Molitor or Stefan Ortega if they speak Czech and Spanish?
_________________
www.freewebs.com/tenniswallpapers by myself and x.doublea
GS winners of 06! Mauresmo(AO, Wimbledon), Henin-Hardenne(FO), Sharapova(USO), Federer(AO, Wimbledon, USO), and Nadal(FO)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
x.doublea
Legend
Council Member
Legend<br>Council Member


Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 8252


Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully it won't work...I never liked a RR format... does anyone know why they abolished the Grand Slam Cup? From what I read, it seems to be far more superior to the RR-formatted Masters Cup/YEC. It's basically the top 16 performers at the Grand Slams playing in an elimination-format 16-player draw....
_________________
"Satan is behind Illegal Immigration."- Don Larson, Utah County Republican
Tennis Wallpapers, presented by leftys_rock and myself
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
J-man
Grand Slam Champion
Grand Slam Champion


Joined: 11 Dec 2005
Posts: 4635


Location: I'll have to get back to you on that

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leftys_rock wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


Well, I think on-court coaching is the worst thing that has happened to the sport. I said this before, but I'll say it again, Federer was totally correct: a tennis match is like an exam. You should be left out there alone to figure your way through the match. This is the real challenge of tennis. Now that's vanishing into thin air....
The thing is most of the WTA players like that. I don't think many players will like the Round Robin format. To many players are going to reject it and it won't work in the end, hopefully Smile


Really? So far, the only ones that I really see using it regularly are Hingis and to some degree Kuznetsova. I would really not call it a sucess. What's the point of putting a microphone on Melanie Molitor or Stefan Ortega if they speak Czech and Spanish?
Well since I don't watch a ton of WTA matches I should just shut the hell up Wink
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dav6789
Grand Slam Champion
Grand Slam Champion


Joined: 31 Dec 2005
Posts: 3548


Location: England

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

x.doublea wrote:
Hopefully it won't work...I never liked a RR format... does anyone know why they abolished the Grand Slam Cup? From what I read, it seems to be far more superior to the RR-formatted Masters Cup/YEC. It's basically the top 16 performers at the Grand Slams playing in an elimination-format 16-player draw....


I like the round-robin for the YEC. I think the YEC should have the top 8, not top 16. I like the idea of everyone playing everyone because they are the top 8 players in the world, so every match should be of some good standard. I do think they should bring back the Grand Slam Cup with 16 players. I think it was a fantastic event and I have no idea when they got rid of it. I think it was last played in 1999 when Greg Rusedski and Serena Williams won it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
x.doublea
Legend
Council Member
Legend<br>Council Member


Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 8252


Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the main difference between the two are the YEC is contested between the 8 players who were basically most consistant at a top level the entire year, while the Grand Slam Cup was basically only the 16 players who played best at the Grand Slams. Perhaps they thought it was too tiring for the 8 players who have to play both tournaments?
_________________
"Satan is behind Illegal Immigration."- Don Larson, Utah County Republican
Tennis Wallpapers, presented by leftys_rock and myself
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dav6789
Grand Slam Champion
Grand Slam Champion


Joined: 31 Dec 2005
Posts: 3548


Location: England

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

x.doublea wrote:
I guess the main difference between the two are the YEC is contested between the 8 players who were basically most consistant at a top level the entire year, while the Grand Slam Cup was basically only the 16 players who played best at the Grand Slams. Perhaps they thought it was too tiring for the 8 players who have to play both tournaments?


I doubt that, because now those top 8 players just play other events, so it is still the same amount of events. I think they should definetely bring back the Grand Slam Cup.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
PSALT
Grand Slam Champion
Council Member
Grand Slam Champion<br>Council Member


Joined: 11 Dec 2005
Posts: 4407


Location: USA

PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leftys_rock wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


Well, I think on-court coaching is the worst thing that has happened to the sport. I said this before, but I'll say it again, Federer was totally correct: a tennis match is like an exam. You should be left out there alone to figure your way through the match. This is the real challenge of tennis. Now that's vanishing into thin air....
The thing is most of the WTA players like that. I don't think many players will like the Round Robin format. To many players are going to reject it and it won't work in the end, hopefully Smile


Really? So far, the only ones that I really see using it regularly are Hingis and to some degree Kuznetsova. I would really not call it a sucess. What's the point of putting a microphone on Melanie Molitor or Stefan Ortega if they speak Czech and Spanish?


atleast for ESPN there hasn't been a problem with Spanish speaking coaches as Mary Joe Fernandez has been commentating. I get your point though.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger
beachjm
Quarter Finalist
Quarter Finalist


Joined: 15 Dec 2005
Posts: 260


Location: Cleveland, OH

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm excited that tennis is going to make some changes and frankly for once, recognize that they need to make some changes. In the US people go nuts for tennis for 2 wks. but the other 40 plus wks. nobody cares. Golf (ugh!) kills it right now, so tennis has to step it up and think outside of the box. But I'm not crazy about the RR format proposal. It's basically to protect the stars. Not so sure how that'll work, I'll wait to judge it when I see how it goes.
Great idea to get rid of so many best of 5 matches in non-majors and even at the TMS level. Produces too much wear and tear on the body and too many poor results at the next tourney.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
x.doublea
Legend
Council Member
Legend<br>Council Member


Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 8252


Location: Canada

PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the finalizations of the RR format:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/newsandscores/news/2006/robin.asp

Not a big fan....
_________________
"Satan is behind Illegal Immigration."- Don Larson, Utah County Republican
Tennis Wallpapers, presented by leftys_rock and myself
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
J-man
Grand Slam Champion
Grand Slam Champion


Joined: 11 Dec 2005
Posts: 4635


Location: I'll have to get back to you on that

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gosh why do they have to do this



_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Percy896's Tennis Forum Forum Index -> Pro Tennis Discussion All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Card File  Gallery  Forum Archive
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Create your own free forum | Buy a domain to use with your forum
This is a growing tennis discussion forum to discuss all aspects of professional tennis, ATP and WTA players, tournaments, results, equipment, or anything personal about tennis you wish to discuss. With polls to answer and create, topics and threads to reply and respond to, and even a new Fantasy Tennis League, you will never run out of things to do and talk about! So come join Percy's Tennis Forum and enjoy! If you want to search for this site on Google, you can try keywords such as: tennis forum, tennis forums, tennis polls, percy896, percy's tennis, fantasy tennis, fantasy tennis league, tennis discussion, tennis talk, discuss tennis, tennis discussion board, tennis message boards, tennis, myfreeforum, or others you wish to try.

Visit Top10Links to see if we're ranked!