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J-man
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i think a good way to cut back on juries is for the players to choose their tournments more carefully
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Babzzzzz
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Yeah, I agree with that. I think it was Federer himself saying the exact same thing, that players should plan their calendar more carefully.
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beachjm
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The tours and players have to work together better on this one. There should be a longer off-season. Tennis shouldn't really be played in Nov. and Dec. But the players have to be responsible and schedule more carefully. Last year, I blamed the suits for all the injuries at the end of year. This year, the players were at least half to blame. They pull out at the last minute and then the next wk. they're playing lucrative exhibitions. So everyone is partially to blame.
I'd also love if they put some sort of limits on the racquet technology, which is really causing all the injuries. They're just so hard on the body. But that's never going to happen. Maybe they could still produce the same racquets for the general public put have some limits for the pros. I think they did something similar in golf (when Tiger was complaining about how far guys were hitting the ball off the tee). But I know this is a major long shot.
Also, would love to see better scheduling of the big events. The French Open and Wimbledon should have 2 more wks. in between and there are 2 pairs, almost 3 actually of TMS's in back to back weeks. It's no wonder that you see some guys make the semis or final of the first and then lose in the 1st rd or don't show up in the second. It's just too little time to recover.
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leftys_rock
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| beachjm wrote: | The tours and players have to work together better on this one. There should be a longer off-season. Tennis shouldn't really be played in Nov. and Dec. But the players have to be responsible and schedule more carefully. Last year, I blamed the suits for all the injuries at the end of year. This year, the players were at least half to blame. They pull out at the last minute and then the next wk. they're playing lucrative exhibitions. So everyone is partially to blame.
I'd also love if they put some sort of limits on the racquet technology, which is really causing all the injuries. They're just so hard on the body. But that's never going to happen. Maybe they could still produce the same racquets for the general public put have some limits for the pros. I think they did something similar in golf (when Tiger was complaining about how far guys were hitting the ball off the tee). But I know this is a major long shot.
Also, would love to see better scheduling of the big events. The French Open and Wimbledon should have 2 more wks. in between and there are 2 pairs, almost 3 actually of TMS's in back to back weeks. It's no wonder that you see some guys make the semis or final of the first and then lose in the 1st rd or don't show up in the second. It's just too little time to recover. |
couldnt have said that better....
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beachjm
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I know it's been said before, but injuries are just KILLING tennis right now. I also know this happens just about every year at the AO (in fact it has only been in the past 5 yrs. where all the players have decided to come if they're healthy, a lot of players just didn't show in the past up bec. of the strange timing) but this is getting freakin' ridiculous.
Out-Safin, Nadal, Agassi, probably more. Maybe Clijsters.
Roddick said it better than I or anyone else on the boards probably could. The players desperately need to form a union, get organized, and get a more sane schedule. Can you think of any other sport around today that has a major event (the 4th biggest) and it's sabotaged because of lousy timing, not letting the players properly recover, and most go there not 100% or get hurt in the process? This has been a horrible start to the '06 season and the message it is sending to the players, fans, and the upcoming season is a very poor one! Maybe the AO will turn out to be okay, but I'm one tennis fan that's already lost a decent amount of interest in this Slam 'cause the "suits" are just really ruining this sport. They're is no reason on Earth why you kick off a season with a major competition just 2 wks. into the season. If it wasn't so stupid, it would be hilarious! They better get their acts together soon or people will just turn their attention to other things (that's why nobody cares about tennis in the US).
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leftys_rock
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wow nice post.....yeah roddick metioned something about a union thing....but hes pretty happy nadal pulled out cuz hes the #2 seed and he wont meet hewitt or federer until the finals....
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x.doublea
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | wow nice post.....yeah roddick metioned something about a union thing....but hes pretty happy nadal pulled out cuz hes the #2 seed and he wont meet hewitt or federer until the finals.... |
Roddick will still have his hands full if he makes the semifinals; if the matches go according to seed, he will face either Hewitt or Nalbandian, both which have games that match up well against Roddick.
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leftys_rock
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really?? i thought hewitt would be in feds draw...oh well....yup thats gonna be a problem for him....cuz hewitt beat him last year.....
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x.doublea
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The first seed gets the top spot on the draw, and the second seed gets the bottom spot on the draw. The third and forth seeds (in this case, Hewitt and Nalbandian) can end up on either side of the draw. So, in the semifinals (if all matches go accordint to seed) the both the first seed and the second seed would meet either the third or forth seed. Basically it can be 1 vs. 3 & 2 vs. 4 or 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3.
Let's hope Nalbandian gets drawn on the top half and Hewitt to the bottom half. Nalbandian is a nemesis for Federer and Hewitt is a nemesis for Roddick. That would make things interesting, because then, both semifinal matches might be entertaining. If it is the other way around, it would be a blow-out for Federer against Hewitt.
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leftys_rock
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oh....yes those would be very interesting.....except nalbandian pulled out of a tournament because of a stomach virus....so we'll see if he gets better....
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x.doublea
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Stomach viruses shouldn't take too long to heal. He probably just ate something.... The Australian Open surely can't lose him. Something surely has to be done.
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leftys_rock
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yup....its just the other players injuries that we have to worry about....im a little worried about clijsters...
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Ruiz
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | yup....its just the other players injuries that we have to worry about....im a little worried about clijsters... |
I just asking me:
why says Clijsters that the time between the old en the new season is too short, but at the beginning of the new season she plays a exhibition tournament?
I don't understand that.
I agree that there's little time between the seasons, but take your time! Justine HH for example started a week later than her.
I Hope she will be fine for the Aussie Open (i hope for another Belgium-final  ) , but i'm afraid  .
In the press here in Belgium, she declared that she isn't very optimistic.
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leftys_rock
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she was referring to the fact that she had a wrist injury the year before probably.......and are u saying JHH isnt optimistic, or clijsters??
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Ruiz
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | she was referring to the fact that she had a wrist injury the year before probably.......and are u saying JHH isnt optimistic, or clijsters?? |
Clijsters is afraid to get fit.
JHH is holding the pressure of her, she says she isn't the topfavorite at all.
Here in Belgium all papers (and the people  ) are dreaming of a Belgium finale regarding to the draws. But the biggest question now is, will Kim play or not.
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leftys_rock
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oh kim is going to play....shes the #2 seed...the injury hurt her chances of winning tho...
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Ruiz
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | oh kim is going to play....shes the #2 seed...the injury hurt her chances of winning tho... |
It's still not sure if she will play or not. She arrived in Melbourne but still feels the pain.
Of course, a few days ago she could get of a stairs.
But we keep hoping
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leftys_rock
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yeah like sharapova has to play through pain with her dislocated rib....but theyre probably gonna play.......it starts tomorrow after all 
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Ruiz
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | yeah like sharapova has to play through pain with her dislocated rib....but theyre probably gonna play.......it starts tomorrow after all |
Kim's match is planned on Tuesday, that's a good thing.
But i remember 2 years ago.
She wasn't fit at all and also unsure just for the start of the Aussie Open.
And the result: we got a Belgium final .
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leftys_rock
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JHH has a tough draw....i have some matches that i want to watch tomorrow....the first rounders should be easy.....but by the third or fourth rounds, it's where it gets interesting....
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Ruiz
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | JHH has a tough draw....i have some matches that i want to watch tomorrow....the first rounders should be easy.....but by the third or fourth rounds, it's where it gets interesting.... |
Yes indeed, in the fourth round Venus, then Davenport, the Sharapova, it can be very hard for her.
Just too bad that i have exams now, and the matches are played at night, so i won't see many of the Aussie Open 
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leftys_rock
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thanx to the invention of the TIVO, i can record matches that are late at night and watch them the next day .....i have exams too but i always watch a little after i come home....
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Ruiz
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | thanx to the invention of the TIVO, i can record matches that are late at night and watch them the next day .....i have exams too but i always watch a little after i come home.... |
i beg your pardon, but what's TIVO 
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leftys_rock
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its like DVR, but it can record ur television programs without dvds or videotapes.....and it allows you to pause and rewind live tv....
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Ruiz
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | its like DVR, but it can record ur television programs without dvds or videotapes.....and it allows you to pause and rewind live tv.... |
Ooh, owkey 
That's indeed very interesting,
but, soit, we get a bit off-topic here i guess
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leftys_rock
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ok back to the topic i think JHH vs v. williams will be VERY good....and the winner of that vs davenport will also be very good...
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Agassi2000
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | ok back to the topic i think JHH vs v. williams will be VERY good....and the winner of that vs davenport will also be very good... |
Yes indeed. That's a brutal draw for both of them, having to play each other in the 4th round, then davenport  .
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leftys_rock
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and then the winner of that could possibly face sharapova, or s. williams....
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J-man
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| Agassi2000 wrote: | | leftys_rock wrote: | | ok back to the topic i think JHH vs v. williams will be VERY good....and the winner of that vs davenport will also be very good... |
Yes indeed. That's a brutal draw for both of them, having to play each other in the 4th round, then davenport . |
tough draw. they will be good matches
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leftys_rock
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thats just too bad for JHH and williams.....and davenport too....practically all of the top half have tough draws....
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x.doublea
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I guess if one of those players win, the tough draw will add to the sweetness of the victory. It's always nice to have to battle your way to victory.
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dav6789
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Yeah, its so open in the top half. I expect clijsters or pierce to get through the bottom half.
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leftys_rock
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duh....the bottom half is so clear cut....like almost EVERYBODY is in the top half....
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dav6789
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Yeah, I also hope Mauresmo can do something big this year in Melbourne. I
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leftys_rock
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yes....she has a nice match set up against vaidisova in either the QF or round of 16.....
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dav6789
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I think she is set up against Clijsters in the QF. It would be good for her to get a big win in a slam.
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leftys_rock
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yes, after her big win at the championships....it probably boosted her confidence....
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dav6789
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She did well to win the championships, but grand slams are the biggest tournaments, and Mauresmo hasent yet broke that mental barrier.
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leftys_rock
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true....mauresmo sometimes gets upset against players she should beat easily....
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dav6789
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Nearly all the time in the slams. When she dosent get upset, she looses to the top players, who she can beat outside the grand slams.
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leftys_rock
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yes, she just has choking problems....shes a good player apart from that....
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x.doublea
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I think she might be able to have a breakthrough at the Grand Slams this year; she cas more confidence now since she won the Tour Championships.
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leftys_rock
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yeah....it all depends on her mental....cuz her game can hold up if her mental can hold up....
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x.doublea
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It would be huge for her if she doesn't crack and wins the French Open. However, she has her best shot at winning a Grand Slam at Wimbledon.
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leftys_rock
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yes that is one that she should be aiming for....the crowd will be thrilled too....
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x.doublea
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The current situation about French people failing to win Roland Garros is almost parallel to the situation about the English failing to win Wimbledon. It's amazing how close they get to winning it, though (Ex. Pierce 2005, Henman's Semifinals).
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leftys_rock
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true....and australia is having a drought now....the us contingent is kind of fading....but still strong....
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x.doublea
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | true....and australia is having a drought now....the us contingent is kind of fading....but still strong.... |
At least the likes of Blake, Ginepri, and Dent are getting stronger and stronger. I'm not sure America will see another era as strong as Agassi-Chang-Courier-Sampras-Martin-Washington-etc..
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leftys_rock
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yeah that contingent was very strong...too bad that era has faded...
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dav6789
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For Britain, it's really just Murray.
I would hope that the US have another strong era. In 2000, Gambill was the one that everyone looked to , to take US Tennis , but now it's just Roddick and Agassi. Blake and Dent have been playing well and of course Ginepri. They just need to continue theie good form and get their rankings higher.
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leftys_rock
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lets hope the juniors can muster a strong enough contingent in the following years....
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dav6789
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Yep .. Donald Young is emerging.
Womens tennis in the US is very strong though.
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leftys_rock
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yes, but there needs to be more young rising stars when the williams sisters and davenport leave....
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x.doublea
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| dav6789 wrote: | Yep .. Donald Young is emerging.
Womens tennis in the US is very strong though. |
It will still be another four years before Young really becomes a threat to top players; he's only 16 or something.
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leftys_rock
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he has time on his side, so theres no rush....
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x.doublea
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Yes. I just hope he won't get discouraged by all the ATP-level losses he's taking in.
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leftys_rock
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he should know that he should let his game mature so he can hit it out with the big guys.....
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dav6789
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Well US tennis is in pretty good shape at the moment. A very strong 2005 for the US, with Blake and Ginepri rising, and good results from Dent.
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leftys_rock
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true...so us tennis doesnt look like its in danger at all
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dav6789
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| x.doublea wrote: | | Yes. I just hope he won't get discouraged by all the ATP-level losses he's taking in. |
I dont think he will be too worried about those losses, but he has learnt its not time to turn pro yet. Is he defending his A.Open title this year ?
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leftys_rock
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maybe....hes not going in the ATP section i think, so probably......
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Ruiz
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The end of the career of Kim Clijsters is nearer than when think
She can't play 2 years with that kind of inuries. yesterday she was playing with a lot of pain, that's not normal i think. Especially with her body.
I'm afraid, really afraid
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dav6789
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It's bad news for the WTA tour .
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x.doublea
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Yes, it's really too bad, considering the calibre of player she is. (I think she said that she will retire at the end of 2006. Let's hope she doesn't)
This should be a wake-up call for the ATP, WTA, and ITF that there needs to be something done about this issue. All the top players seem to have at least one serious injury per season.
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Ruiz
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| x.doublea wrote: | Yes, it's really too bad, considering the calibre of player she is. (I think she said that she will retire at the end of 2006. Let's hope she doesn't)
This should be a wake-up call for the ATP, WTA, and ITF that there needs to be something done about this issue. All the top players seem to have at least one serious injury per season. |
The first reason why she will stop is the fact she want to start a familie.
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x.doublea
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She really shouldn't put a set date on when she will retire. She should retire when her body, when not injured, can absolutely not keep up with the game, like Pete Sampras (although he obviously went out with a bang).
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Ruiz
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| x.doublea wrote: | | She really shouldn't put a set date on when she will retire. She should retire when her body, when not injured, can absolutely not keep up with the game, like Pete Sampras (although he obviously went out with a bang). |
By the time she stops she will be 24/25. That's the perfect age to start a family. She has enough money, why should she keep playing tennis. Don't forget, playing topsport is NOT healthy!
She's not the kind of player who wants to play a palmares. She just wanna have fun on the court and have also a life outside tennis.
You can't blame her that.
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J-man
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no you can't blame her for that. but still she has so much potenial and she could cutting herself short from a ver good carrer
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Babzzzzz
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You're right. When you lost the joy in playing tennis, than you should not force yourself to play. Wouldn't make you happier. By the way, nowadays you can have children when you're 60 years or older
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Ruiz
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| J-man wrote: | | and she could cutting herself short from a ver good carrer |
That's true,
but I'm sure she more care about her further life than her carreer in tennis.
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leftys_rock
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and rebound ace causes a lot of friction on the body.....there are more foot and ankle injuries on it.....
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x.doublea
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | and rebound ace causes a lot of friction on the body.....there are more foot and ankle injuries on it..... |
Rebound Ace is stickier than other surfaces, so it's harder to move on it.
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J-man
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| Ruiz wrote: | | J-man wrote: | | and she could cutting herself short from a ver good carrer |
That's true,
but I'm sure she more care about her further life than her carreer in tennis. |
your proably right
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leftys_rock
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its made of crushed rubber tires, so its bouncier too......it showed when zvonareva tried to smash her racquet and it bounced back at her....
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J-man
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LOL. she has a temper
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leftys_rock
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i thought that was hilarious cuz the racquet almost smacked her in the face....
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dav6789
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LOL
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J-man
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | i thought that was hilarious cuz the racquet almost smacked her in the face.... |
that is embarsing
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dav6789
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Yea in front of all those people.
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x.doublea
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She must have thrown her racquet on the side; maybe if she threw the racquet like Safin (face down), she wouldn't have nearly hurt and embarassed herself!
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dav6789
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LOL... safin seems to be the master at that.
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leftys_rock
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well u wouldnt expect zvonareva to make smart decisions on court if shes crying do u?? lol....
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dav6789
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I didnt know there were tactics of how to throw your racket down.
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Babzzzzz
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A pro stringer once told a story that one of his clients (pro player) would ask him to custom make his racket in such a way that the racket would break easier when he would throw it to the ground so he wouldn't be frustrated even more in case it wouldn't break  . He didn't say who that player was, though.
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leftys_rock
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lol....but arent there certain situations that u cant change ur racquet even if u smash it and it breaks??
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dav6789
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Yes there have been situations like that in the past. If they smash it they are supposed to get a warning.
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leftys_rock
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oh....ok....i have a temptation to smash my racquet sometimes, but i only have one, so i restrain myself
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dav6789
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Same with me. I have a few scratches on my racket, but nothing more damaging.
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leftys_rock
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yeah the scratches are just from when the racquet scratches the court if im getting a low ball....
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dav6789
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Yeah thats annoying. I try not to scratch it buy slicing low balls instead of ripping up the ball.
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leftys_rock
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for the forehand that is a little harder.....yeah i like slicing low balls....however, a one handed topspin works too in certain situations....
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dav6789
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On the backhand its easier to slice it, on the forehand you have to really get low to the ball.
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leftys_rock
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yeah, i practiced it though i can hit it better now....now, i have better pop on my one handed topspin backhand....
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dav6789
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I use two hands mostly for the backhand, i like the control
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leftys_rock
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i tried hitting with the two hander, and i just felt too restricted, so i switched to the one hander....and i sometimes use slice for my offense as well as my defense....
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dav6789
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Although the one-hander is better to watch i think.
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leftys_rock
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yeah it looks nice....that was why i wanted to learn it it changed up my game a little and i like it.....
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dav6789
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I like hitting the one-hander, but I have used 2 hands for a very long time now, I have grooved the shot and it feels safer.
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Babzzzzz
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | lol....but arent there certain situations that u cant change ur racquet even if u smash it and it breaks?? |
There is a rule for that, yes but I don't know the exact description of that.
I believe that when a player already has had a certain amount of warnings and he smashes his racket again and it's broken, and he is going to use a new racket, then he will loose a point (so his oponent is given that point). If the player keeps playing with his broken racket, then it won;t influence the score so he doesn't lose a point
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