dav6789
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Best WTA Double-HanderWhich WTA player has the best double-handed backhand ???
* Sorry, I forgot the 'Other' option on the poll. If you want to choose someone else just post who .
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J-man
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i picked davenport. i didn't pick the willams sisters because they make to many errors. and i don't watch enough of demntevia matches to really get a look at her backhand
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Agassi2000
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Oh venus has an extremely great backhand when it's on. All of these players have great backhands, but venus has the most penetrating one i've seen. Maybe at the moment its someone else, but if she's playing well I'd have to go with venus.
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dav6789
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Well Davenport's backhand is probably the most consistent.
I put Dementieva there because her cross-court backhand is amazing. Her backhand makes up for her poor serve.
Serena and Venus have great backhands which they are famous for, but I wanted to get an idea of which one is better. I notice that Serena has a flatter hit, where Venus gets more height on the ball.
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J-man
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yes when she is on it is great. but lately it doesn't seem like anything has really been on for her
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dav6789
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Who Venus ?
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Agassi2000
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| dav6789 wrote: | | Who Venus ? |
Yes I'm confused too.
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J-man
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venus. well i guess you could also that for both the sisters
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dav6789
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Oh J-Man must have posted at the same time as me. I think he was replying to your post .
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Agassi2000
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| J-man wrote: | | yes when she is on it is great. but lately it doesn't seem like anything has really been on for her |
I think that goes for everything about the williams sisters' games at the moment. Playing well though, I doubt many people would siagree that they have the best strokes in women's tennis.
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dav6789
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In their good days (2000 - 2003) they had the best strokes, serve, athletism etc. When they are playing well, they are almost unbeatable. That hasent been the case in the last years.
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J-man
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i agree. i think the player with some of the best groundstrokes will have to be davenport
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dav6789
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Davenport is up there aswell . She hits the ball in a different way to Serena and Venus. Davenport hits with less raw power but with much more accuracy . Davenport is a powerful player, but uses accuracy and precision more than just power.
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J-man
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yeah. espically on those swinging volleys that she makes. it's a good example of accuracy and perscion
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dav6789
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Do you mean her drive volleys ???
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J-man
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yes i mean her drive volleys  sorry.
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x.doublea
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Serena and Venus probably get the most pace out of the four, but I would think Davenport hits the backhand the cleanest. It's very accurate and consistant.
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x.doublea
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Needeless to say, though, all of them have great backhands. But, Davenport usually has a higher winner count than unforced error count, while the other three usually have the opposite.
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leftys_rock
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yeah, lindsay is very accurate with her backhand......she can hit several times in the same spot without letting up....
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x.doublea
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Her groundstrokes are arguably the best in the world currently (next to Henin-Hardenne, I think). It's a great way of making up for her speed.
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leftys_rock
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yeah, because of her accuracy, it covers her weakness, so that is why she is able to remain at the top even with not so great movement....
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x.doublea
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Yes, she basically just stands in one spot of the court the entire match.
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leftys_rock
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unless she goes for a swing volley or overhead.....but yeah, she usually remains in the middle.......
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x.doublea
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She's actually decent at volleying too.
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x.doublea
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She doesn't need to, because many of her shots don't come back.
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J-man
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| x.doublea wrote: | | Needeless to say, though, all of them have great backhands. But, Davenport usually has a higher winner count than unforced error count, while the other three usually have the opposite. |
yes and this becomes very important in matches. whoever makes the more unforced errors will proably lose in the end
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leftys_rock
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yes, that showed in venus' match at the AO......u cant win with nearly 70 unforced.....
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x.doublea
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Yes, although the Williams sisters often win matches when hitting a fair amount of unforced errors.
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leftys_rock
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thats true...but not as high as 65.....like serena came through li na with something like 40 unforced.....
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x.doublea
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Yes....I saw a match on TV once where Serena hit like 60 unforced errors to 45 winners and managed to win the match.
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J-man
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| x.doublea wrote: | | Yes, although the Williams sisters often win matches when hitting a fair amount of unforced errors. |
but doesn't this happen mainly to lower experinced players?? against higher more experinced players this won't cut it
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x.doublea
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Yes, they never get away with that against, say, a Davenport, Clijsters, or Henin-Hardenne.
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leftys_rock
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like in the pironkova match, pironkova also hit her own share of unforced errors, but she managed to come through.......because of venus' enormous amount of unforced errors.....
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x.doublea
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It's unfortunate, because most of the WTA matches are decided by who has more unforced errors.
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leftys_rock
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yeah, and not by who hits more winners.......but in the AO womens final, mauresmo was up 5-0 and she had like 5 winners and 2 unforced errors......that was astounding....but she had a one handed bh.....so thats a different story...
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x.doublea
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Yes, but her win was largely because Henin-Hardenne couldn't play. On one backhand, the ball bounced twice before it hit the net....
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Speedy-Gonzalez
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Davenport is the most consistent and that is what makes winners and points. So I think she has the best.
Maria
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x.doublea
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Yes, but unfortunately, her movement has let her down against top players for her entire career.
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Speedy-Gonzalez
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Yeah, she is not the most fleat of foot.
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x.doublea
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Yes....at the US Open, Dementieva hit a dropshot which bounced first on the service line and Davenport couldn't get it.
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leftys_rock
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wow...that was a stinky drop shot.....yes, davenport looks pretty bad on the run....her backhand is a little shaky when shes moving though...
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x.doublea
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Her running is basically just taking wide steps to the ball. It's pretty bad. I don't think she bothers improving her movement anymore, and really, she doesn't need to.
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dav6789
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It is hard for the other players to get Davenport on the run because she always gets the first strike in. Also, Davenport has lost weight in the last few years, and spent her off season in the gym , not on the court.
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x.doublea
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Yes, she's similar in terms of playing style with Agassi, except that Agassi is almost better in every category and is more talented.
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dav6789
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Well you are comparing a women to a man, so the man would probably have a more powerful game. But, in their seperate tours, Lindsay has a more devastating serve, better net game and probably a more solid backhand.
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x.doublea
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Maybe, but I think on their respective tours, Davenport would have a better serve, Agassi would have better groundstrokes, Davenport would have better volleys, and Agassi would be the better athlete and the quicker player. However, mind you, the men's tour is deeper than the women's tour, so Agassi has to be much smarter with his shots than Davenport.
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dav6789
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Lindsay has also had it tough on her tour though (Williams's, Russians), Andre is not better than her in every aspect.
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x.doublea
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Yes, I sort of overstated the issue, but if you line up their achievements, Agassi has a far more impressive resumé on a deeper tour.
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J-man
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but it's hard to compare different players from totally differnent tours (WTA, ATP).
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x.doublea
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Yes, that's very true. That's why I think TENNIS Magazine made a mistake of making the 'greatest' players for both tours combined, because it just makes the selections much more problamatic. They should have done something like name the 5 great players per tour per month and have a separate 'greatness' measure.
Now, back on topic...
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leftys_rock
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| x.doublea wrote: | | Her running is basically just taking wide steps to the ball. It's pretty bad. I don't think she bothers improving her movement anymore, and really, she doesn't need to. |
yes, her long frame allows her to take fewer steps to the ball....same thing goes for other tall players like sharapova....slower steps, but longer steps....but lets get back to talking about WTA backhands shall we?? 
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dav6789
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| x.doublea wrote: | Yes, that's very true. That's why I think TENNIS Magazine made a mistake of making the 'greatest' players for both tours combined, because it just makes the selections much more problamatic. They should have done something like name the 5 great players per tour per month and have a separate 'greatness' measure.
Now, back on topic... |
Yeah i agree. Court won 24 slams, and Sampras won 14, but people generally regard Sampras to be the best ever..
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leftys_rock
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yes, i really think they should separate the tours as well when they are talking about the greatest ever.....ok, now lets go back to talking about WTA backhands....
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Jaded
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I had to go with Lindsey here. She is very powerful and also very consistent moreso then the others listed.
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dav6789
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Yes, the Williams's seem to make alot more errors.
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Jaded
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I agree, My coach always says Harder doesn't always give you the best results.
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dav6789
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It is important to be consistent . You are more likely to win a match by being consistent than hitting the ball very hard. You would make alot of errors and opponents could even use your power against you.
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Jaded
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Exactly, hitting with power and hitting out alot don't win you any points, hitting consistently and within the lines win you points. I think I would rather win the points and games.
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leftys_rock
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yeah....like lindsays accuracy can hit more winners than just power......what type of grip does she use on her backhand by the way??
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dav6789
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Davenport worked so much on targets as she learned her tennis. If she couldnt hit the ball hard (which she can), she would still be a great player.
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leftys_rock
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yeah......she could still hit her fair share of winners on just accuracy......what grip does she use on her bh??
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Kay-Kay
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It may not be the prettiest two hander in the game but it is the most productive.
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leftys_rock
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yes, it gets the job done......sry ive asked this question several times, but does anybody know the grip she uses on her backhand??
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Kay-Kay
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| leftys_rock wrote: | | yes, it gets the job done......sry ive asked this question several times, but does anybody know the grip she uses on her backhand?? |
I am not really sure, but it looks like an eastern grip.
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leftys_rock
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hmm....does she have the same grip as agassi does?? because i know agassis.....
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Kay-Kay
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Hmm, that's a good question . I don't really know for sure, maybe somewhat else on this forum would know.
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leftys_rock
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i know lindsays forehand grip but not her backhand grip....does anybody know??
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Davia
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I vote for Danvenport. Her backhand presision and power make up for lack of sped she got.
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leftys_rock
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she has exceptionally clean strokes, which are placed so well that it masks her movement except for on clay.....
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Davia
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you dont she her hiting to many misshits that helps her out.
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leftys_rock
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the only time she really misses is when shes having a really off day....
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Davia
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Wich is not very offten. That is why she has been at the top of the WTA for so long.
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leftys_rock
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yes, she has been at the top for quite a few years, and thats really hard at her age.....
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Davia
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She is allmost 30 now?
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Not_Even_Amateur
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Davenport all the way. Best powerful groundstrokes in the women's game by a Country mile!
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Davia
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she does have afective strokes.
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leftys_rock
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yeah, she can hit a spot several times in a row and she can dig u into a corner.....then she hits a down the line.....
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dav6789
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She did alot of work on targets when she was younger...
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leftys_rock
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no wonder.....was that when she was with landsdorp?
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Gators-Rox
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As almost everyone agrees this one also goes to Davenport. Even though Davenport has limited mobility she makes up for it with a beautiful 2 hander. She can go cross court with it and down the line and also have depth with the shot. It is very effective.
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stevos14
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I agree with earlier posters that venus, when its on, has a very good dhbackhand and she gets all her power into that shot. Its definitely her side with fewer errors.
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x.doublea
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Yes. Her forehand is to dependant on her arm. She has hit tons of forehands which bounce before hitting the net.
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stevos14
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Yes, i have seen that happen to her. I see the reliance on the arm, where her backhand is with the whole body.
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x.doublea
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Yes. Her forehand's effective on the run, but it's not consistant or as effective when she's stationary.
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