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Wow, round robin format and abolition of 5 setters. I wouldn't abolish 5 setters all together though. For finals I would keep them.
J-man
I would keep the 5 setters for the finals like Lefty's said. But I don't like the round robin format. There changing tennis way to much. I like the draw and everything. Not this round robin
leftys_rock
Except for round robin format, how would that work in GS? Players would be playing for like a month to get through all the players!
x.doublea
I strongly disagree with these initiatives. The round robin format is basically making the early rounds less intense. This also means players who are basically already eliminated will have to play an extra one/two matches just to complete the results- this is a waste of energy. I also disagree about the abolishing of five-set final matches in various tournaments. Some of the best matches are played in this, and this is ruining the intensity of the overall tour.
Tennis fan
5-set matches
It says that they will keep 5-setters in GS events. I agree that all matches at GS should be 5-setters. Give the low ranking players more limelightt at GS. Otherwise, all other matches should be 3-setters, except for the finals of Masters series events
Round Robin
They are trying to copy the Masters cup. Round robin works there because there are only 8 players. Round robin will not work elsewhere. Just drop it!!
Sunday starts
This is the only chnage that makes sense. Let's have all GS and Masters events start on Sundays with a big promotional campaign.
More money for players
This happens every year and did not need a big bang announcement
x.doublea
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Tennis fan
Absolutely. RR is a terrible idea for so many reasons...
dav6789
I don't like most of the changes.
Every grand slam match should be 5 sets, singles and doubles. All finals at masters events should be 5 sets, singles and doubles. Also, the doubles should revert to normal scoring again, it is unfair from both perspectives. 5 set finals should also be in place for some of the more traditional events, like Barcelona, Vienna etc.
I like Round-Robin but it would be hard to schedule it. Perhaps they should have round-robin for Indian Wells-Miami. This could also make them think about changing some events. I think there should be a few longer events on the tour, and take away some smaller ones. For exampe, Sydney could be made into a big 2-week event at the start of the year and be in round-robin. The same could be done for events such as Las Vegas, Barcelona, Newport??, Indianapolis etc.
All major events should start on Sunday.
x.doublea
I agree about how the doubles should be reverted back to normal scoring. This match TB is a bit unfair, and is cutting down the time doubles matches take up really a way to make it more popular? However, I don't agree with making doubles matches best of five sets. I don't like short doubles matches, but five-set doubles matches can really be too time consuming for schedualing and is also a problem for players who play both singles and doubles events at Grand Slams.
I just totally reject the RR. The Sunday start is a good idea though....
J-man
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis
J-man
leftys_rock wrote:
Wow, round robin format and abolition of 5 setters. I wouldn't abolish 5 setters all together though. For finals I would keep them.
“Best-of-5 is perfect for the Grand Slams where you have two weeks, which means more days off for the players, and major time slots on broadcasts,” said de Villiers. “That’s not the case with the circuit events, where you play from week to week and recovery time is needed. Certainly, we have all enjoyed watching ATP tournaments that have featured some fabulous five-set matches, but at what cost? Subsequent tournaments suffer due to late withdrawals of marquee players, and players need time to recover.”
PSALT
I like the Sunday start, for everything else I will wait for more info to judge on. It's quite vague how everything will work as of yet.
dav6789
x.doublea wrote:
I agree about how the doubles should be reverted back to normal scoring. This match TB is a bit unfair, and is cutting down the time doubles matches take up really a way to make it more popular? However, I don't agree with making doubles matches best of five sets. I don't like short doubles matches, but five-set doubles matches can really be too time consuming for schedualing and is also a problem for players who play both singles and doubles events at Grand Slams.
I just totally reject the RR. The Sunday start is a good idea though....
Doubles matches all used to be five sets at the slams. Now only Wimbledon has that format. If they have 5 set singles, why shouldn't they have 5 set doubles? They are all the same hard-working pros and noth games need to be treated the same. Doubles will only get worse if it is treated smaller than singles.
x.doublea
You're very correct...if this were to happen though, I think the transformation would need to be quite gradual. I think the crossover players would have serious defecits though....
x.doublea
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis
Well, I think on-court coaching is the worst thing that has happened to the sport. I said this before, but I'll say it again, Federer was totally correct: a tennis match is like an exam. You should be left out there alone to figure your way through the match. This is the real challenge of tennis. Now that's vanishing into thin air....
leftys_rock
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis
If you remember at the WTA Champs last year, Sharapova tanked her match against Petrova because she had already made the SF and was "conserving energy." Who wants to watch a tanked match? Money is honestly not a big deal unless your one of the lower ranked players who lives week by week. And I think right now, tennis is attempting to "modernize". It's not working, so the associations should stop trying. I don't think they realize that the on court coaching didn't work apart from a handful of players.
J-man
x.doublea wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis
Well, I think on-court coaching is the worst thing that has happened to the sport. I said this before, but I'll say it again, Federer was totally correct: a tennis match is like an exam. You should be left out there alone to figure your way through the match. This is the real challenge of tennis. Now that's vanishing into thin air....
The thing is most of the WTA players like that. I don't think many players will like the Round Robin format. To many players are going to reject it and it won't work in the end, hopefully
J-man
leftys_rock wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis
If you remember at the WTA Champs last year, Sharapova tanked her match against Petrova because she had already made the SF and was "conserving energy." Who wants to watch a tanked match? Money is honestly not a big deal unless your one of the lower ranked players who lives week by week. And I think right now, tennis is attempting to "modernize". It's not working, so the associations should stop trying. I don't think they realize that the on court coaching didn't work apart from a handful of players.
Well I look like a complete idiot (see last post)
leftys_rock
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis
Well, I think on-court coaching is the worst thing that has happened to the sport. I said this before, but I'll say it again, Federer was totally correct: a tennis match is like an exam. You should be left out there alone to figure your way through the match. This is the real challenge of tennis. Now that's vanishing into thin air....
The thing is most of the WTA players like that. I don't think many players will like the Round Robin format. To many players are going to reject it and it won't work in the end, hopefully
Really? So far, the only ones that I really see using it regularly are Hingis and to some degree Kuznetsova. I would really not call it a sucess. What's the point of putting a microphone on Melanie Molitor or Stefan Ortega if they speak Czech and Spanish?
x.doublea
Hopefully it won't work...I never liked a RR format... does anyone know why they abolished the Grand Slam Cup? From what I read, it seems to be far more superior to the RR-formatted Masters Cup/YEC. It's basically the top 16 performers at the Grand Slams playing in an elimination-format 16-player draw....
J-man
leftys_rock wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis
Well, I think on-court coaching is the worst thing that has happened to the sport. I said this before, but I'll say it again, Federer was totally correct: a tennis match is like an exam. You should be left out there alone to figure your way through the match. This is the real challenge of tennis. Now that's vanishing into thin air....
The thing is most of the WTA players like that. I don't think many players will like the Round Robin format. To many players are going to reject it and it won't work in the end, hopefully
Really? So far, the only ones that I really see using it regularly are Hingis and to some degree Kuznetsova. I would really not call it a sucess. What's the point of putting a microphone on Melanie Molitor or Stefan Ortega if they speak Czech and Spanish?
Well since I don't watch a ton of WTA matches I should just shut the hell up
dav6789
x.doublea wrote:
Hopefully it won't work...I never liked a RR format... does anyone know why they abolished the Grand Slam Cup? From what I read, it seems to be far more superior to the RR-formatted Masters Cup/YEC. It's basically the top 16 performers at the Grand Slams playing in an elimination-format 16-player draw....
I like the round-robin for the YEC. I think the YEC should have the top 8, not top 16. I like the idea of everyone playing everyone because they are the top 8 players in the world, so every match should be of some good standard. I do think they should bring back the Grand Slam Cup with 16 players. I think it was a fantastic event and I have no idea when they got rid of it. I think it was last played in 1999 when Greg Rusedski and Serena Williams won it.
x.doublea
I guess the main difference between the two are the YEC is contested between the 8 players who were basically most consistant at a top level the entire year, while the Grand Slam Cup was basically only the 16 players who played best at the Grand Slams. Perhaps they thought it was too tiring for the 8 players who have to play both tournaments?
dav6789
x.doublea wrote:
I guess the main difference between the two are the YEC is contested between the 8 players who were basically most consistant at a top level the entire year, while the Grand Slam Cup was basically only the 16 players who played best at the Grand Slams. Perhaps they thought it was too tiring for the 8 players who have to play both tournaments?
I doubt that, because now those top 8 players just play other events, so it is still the same amount of events. I think they should definetely bring back the Grand Slam Cup.
PSALT
leftys_rock wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
J-man wrote:
x.doublea wrote:
I agree with you Tennis fan. Something I'm rather afraid of about the RR is, perhaps there will be strategic tanking? Like, for example, "If I win this match, I play Federer, if I don't, I'll play a qualifier; I think I'll tank". This RR is a terrible idea.
Exactly. Since one chance doesn't mean your lose there will be more tanking. Also more money for players?! Dude it's not like there making alot of money already!!! Plus money isn't an incentive to all players. On court coaching was about as far as would go but now all of these. What's happening to Tennis
Well, I think on-court coaching is the worst thing that has happened to the sport. I said this before, but I'll say it again, Federer was totally correct: a tennis match is like an exam. You should be left out there alone to figure your way through the match. This is the real challenge of tennis. Now that's vanishing into thin air....
The thing is most of the WTA players like that. I don't think many players will like the Round Robin format. To many players are going to reject it and it won't work in the end, hopefully
Really? So far, the only ones that I really see using it regularly are Hingis and to some degree Kuznetsova. I would really not call it a sucess. What's the point of putting a microphone on Melanie Molitor or Stefan Ortega if they speak Czech and Spanish?
atleast for ESPN there hasn't been a problem with Spanish speaking coaches as Mary Joe Fernandez has been commentating. I get your point though.
beachjm
I'm excited that tennis is going to make some changes and frankly for once, recognize that they need to make some changes. In the US people go nuts for tennis for 2 wks. but the other 40 plus wks. nobody cares. Golf (ugh!) kills it right now, so tennis has to step it up and think outside of the box. But I'm not crazy about the RR format proposal. It's basically to protect the stars. Not so sure how that'll work, I'll wait to judge it when I see how it goes.
Great idea to get rid of so many best of 5 matches in non-majors and even at the TMS level. Produces too much wear and tear on the body and too many poor results at the next tourney.
(see last post)