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Gators-Rox
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Are fans losing interest in the ATPWith the predictabiltiy of most tournaments with Roger Federer becoming champion week after week do you think that most tennis fans will lose interest in the ATP tour and focus more on the WTA which has more chances for different champions at each tournament.
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leftys_rock
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no, because though it gets boring for fed winning, there is still great tennis throughout the week........thats the problem with the WTA.......there are usually breezy early round womens matches, and then it gets interesting.......
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Gators-Rox
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Very true, It takes the women to get down to the QF to have tough matches.
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x.doublea
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I don't think so. I think most people (including me), enjoy watching men's matches more than women's matches, simply because it's faster and has more variety. However, although Federer usually wins, we are still interested about the rest of the field. As well, Federer can help promote tennis; he is known throughout all sports.
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stevos14
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The ATP tournaments, like lefty said, have much more depth but are predictable, however, I enjoy the quality of points and how every shot isn't ended on an UE. On the womans side, however, i love the passion and drama and emotion that is left on the court. It may not be as deep, but I think the WTA is more exciting for sure.
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x.doublea
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True. The WTA isn't as predictable, and the race for the Number 1 rank adds to the drama. However, Federer isn't in every tournament, so the ATP is also unpredictable to some extent.
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J-man
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no because the ATP is move entertaining for most people and federer is fun to watch
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x.doublea
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Yes....he is a brilliant shotmaker.
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stevos14
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I love his backhand personally. The beauty of that stroke is pretty great to watch. And then so is the rest of his game. I really enjoy watching his serve, as it is not all power, but placement and spins. So intelligent.
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Gators-Rox
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Federer sure does have some great strokes none better then his backhand which he seems he can hit the lines with all the time. It is brilliant to watch him, I just wish there was some competition for him. Please Rafael step up on the clay like last year and win against FED.
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J-man
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don't worry you can bet nadal will step up on clay. it's his best surface
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stevos14
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I Hope he can! Nadal better bring his A game though. It would be great if nadal was a bit more at feds level to spur a great rivalry.
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Gators-Rox
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I thought Nadal was going to step it up when he beat Federer at Dubai a few weeks ago, but he hasn't performed as well since.
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stevos14
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It's too bad. But hey, no one can be perfect 24/7.
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dav6789
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The good thing about the ATP is that there are different players for different surfaces. e.g. Clay (Nadal, Moya, Coria, Gaudio), Grass (Federer, Roddick, Hewitt), and Hard, where everyone plays well. In this part of the game, there is more variety. You see different players suceedng on different surfaces, which is a good element that the game has since there are some upsets etc...
The WTA tour isnt as reliable on the surface, all the top players play well on all surfaces, even their weaker ones. e.g. Lindsay on Clay, Justine on grass. The WTA has alot of top players and isnt being cominated by one player (which is great). Everyone is a contender for big titles, on all surfaces.
Another good thing about the WTA tour is the tournament structure. The top players all focus on tier 1's and tier 2's, and the lower players tier 3's, tier 4's. There is a tier 2 or tier 1 tournament nearly every week, so you get to see the top players playing against each other every week , producing some fantastic matches all the time.The tier 3 and tier 4 allow lower players to break through. The ATP tournament structure is manly 3 international series every week, all at the same level, so the top players are spread out, and tournaments are much more predictable.
At the moment, womens tennis is very strong (as it is not predictable and there is a group of elite players), and just needs more variety.Mens tennis is also strong, with top players breaking through (like Blake, Ljubicic), but every top title is being won by the same person. If Ljubicic or Blake or Roddick could beat Federer, and some more contenders came through then I would say Mens tennis is stronger, but for the moment I think Womens tennis is more exciting to watch as the top players are always playing and the tournaments are not predictable (this of course is not reguarding Charleston which has a very poor draw).
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J-man
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i would have to disagree. i can't find womens tennis more exciting then mens. maybe it has to do with me being a guy. even though federer wins just about every thournment he enters there are still people who can push him and make it exciting.
we can't just tell federer to dump a final and make the ATP more exciting
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dav6789
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| J-man wrote: | i would have to disagree. i can't find womens tennis more exciting then mens. maybe it has to do with me being a guy. even though federer wins just about every thournment he enters there are still people who can push him and make it exciting.
we can't just tell federer to dump a final and make the ATP more exciting |
Well I am not a women either, I dont think you can just judge the game based on that. At the moment, I think the situatuon that the WTA is in is better than the ATP.
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J-man
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no i'm not kidding. i don't find it as exciting as mens tennis. but i would agree that the tournment situation is alittle bit better
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PSALT
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Womens tennis is more exciting by far. Almost any grang slma there are 4-5 possible women that can win it. In mens it is (maybe) 1-2. Federer doesn't have any competetion. The closest somebody is to being called that is Nadal and who knows how serious this foot injury will end up being.
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J-man
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federer does have competiton it's just that his competetion usually can't beat him. but i can't believe you don't think Ljubicic, blake, davydenko, haas ect, competiton. because to em these guys are competion
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Gators-Rox
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| J-man wrote: | | federer does have competiton it's just that his competetion usually can't beat him. but i can't believe you don't think Ljubicic, blake, davydenko, haas ect, competiton. because to em these guys are competion |
How can you say that those players are Federers competition when on 9 out of 10 days Fed would beat all of them easily. Yes they are competition because they are a player on the other side of the net, but realistically I see Federer looking at each match as one step closer to the trophy. He seems to prove this each tournament by playing in the early rounds lets say below Federer standards and picks its up against those in the QF, SF, F where he knows he must put a little effort to win.
Yes I know Fed is not perfect and he will lose sometimes, but 90% or more of the time he is a winner and he wins easy over his opponents. That to me is not much competition.
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PSALT
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| J-man wrote: | | federer does have competiton it's just that his competetion usually can't beat him. but i can't believe you don't think Ljubicic, blake, davydenko, haas ect, competiton. because to em these guys are competion |
when I talk about competition I mean people who's head to head with him aren't 7-1 or something. People who can challenge and beat him consistenly. Look at the womens game. Clijsters, Davenport consistently challenges and beats her, so does Mauresmo, so does H-H. They are Clijsters competition. Blake, Roddick, Hewitt, Haas, Davydenko ect may get a set off in one match but no always. If they win a match over him it is a huge upset
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J-man
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i see where your coming from. i didn't mean competion by someone standing on the other side of the net. i was just saying that these guys that i metioned do give federer most of the time a run for his money or at least play him tightly. to me that's as close as you will get to competion in this era of federer.
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J-man
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i just looked at some head to head on the ATP site. and it shows that federer is leagues ahead of his competion. the only time that i saw that any of the players took sets off of federer (other than nadal) were in five setter where you can let a set go and still be safe. i saw blakes head to head against federer and he has been able to push him in sets. a few 7-6 sets. but federer the next usually just man handles him
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dav6789
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Nicolas Kiefer consistently pushes Federer though...
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J-man
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here's kierfer's head to head
2006
Australian Open, Hard, S
Australia
Hard
S
Federer
3 6 7 5 0 6 2 6
2005
US Open, Hard, R16
NY, U.S.A.
Hard
R16
Federer
4 6 7 6 3 6 4 6
2005
ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, Hard, R32
Ohio, USA
Hard
R32
Federer
6 4 4 6 4 6
2005
Wimbledon, Grass, R32
England
Grass
R32
Federer
2 6 7 6 1 6 5 7
2005
ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, Hard, Q
California, USA
Hard
Q
Federer
4 6 1 6
2004
Roland Garros, Clay, R64
France
Clay
R64
Federer
3 6 4 6 6 7
2003
Halle, Grass, F
Germany
Grass
F
Federer
1 6 3 6
2002
Halle, Grass, S
Germany
Grass
S
Kiefer
4 6 6 4 6 4
2001
Moscow, Carpet, R32
Russia
Carpet
R32
Kiefer
6 3 1 6 7 6
2001
Indian Wells TMS, Hard, R64
California, USA
Hard
R64
Kiefer
3 6 7 5 6 1
2000
London, Hard, R32
England
Hard
R32
Federer
2 6 3 6
kiefer and nadal are problems for federer as you can tell. kiefer has been able to consistantly push federer. so really federer's only realy competion is kiefer and nadal who can consistenily push federer. so yes i was wrong
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x.doublea
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Yes, but for some reason, Federer always pulls it out against Kiefer.
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dav6789
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| x.doublea wrote: | | Yes, but for some reason, Federer always pulls it out against Kiefer. |
He usually pulls it out against everyone though. Many players were able to win a set off Federer last year, but then he always finds a way to win. In the 1st round of Halle last year, Federer's first grass match, Robin Soderling so nearly beat him...but once again Federer wins.
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x.doublea
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He sort of loses his focus midway through the match and then 'wakes up' when it counts.
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beachjm
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The ATP tour should get much more interesting in '07-'08 when hopefully some of these young guys step up and are consistent members of the top10-15. I also wouldn't shut the door on Safin yet. He's missed a lot of time due to injuries (half of the last 3 yrs.) but when he's counted out he often plays his best. He's already beaten Davydenko twice and Gasquet in DC, so his comeback is going pretty well. I just hope he can stay healthy and be a factor on the hard courts come summer time. Still think when he's on (outside of Nadal) he poses the toughest challenge to Fed 'cause he has such a huge game. Then again you never know with Safin, too often he majorly disappoints.
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x.doublea
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Yes. I think he might be a big threat at Wimbledon, though, since he has proven to himself that he can play on grass.
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