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J-man

Andy MUrray will learn to win ugly

Andy Murray may have lost last night, but he has made a winner's choice in securing the services of Brad Gilbert
Andy Murray finally has a new coach and British tennis a strong inspirational force after Brad Gilbert, never previously known as a man to use one word when several hundred will do, said yes to a £500,000-a-year offer from the Lawn Tennis Association (LTA).

Rather than greet the good news with victory, Murray last night failed in his attempt to reach the third ATP final of his career. Despite being top seed in the Campbell’s Hall of Fame Championships on the grass of Newport, Rhode Island, he lost out at the semi-final stage to Justin Gimelstob 6-1 7-6.

That will not, however, overshadow the fact that, after a fortnight of intense negotiations, Gilbert is expected in Britain this week to formally sign the contract, novel in its terms. The 44-year-old Californian, who guided both Andre Agassi and Andy Roddick to be world No 1s, will be primarily employed by the LTA, but they will loan his services for an expected 28 weeks a year to Murray. But he is not to be given the title of director of performance, left vacant since the sacking of David Felgate three months ago.

Coaching Britain’s most talented player is just part of the remit formulated by the LTA’s new chief executive Roger Draper. Gilbert will also be expected to spend at least another couple of months at the new £40m National Tennis Centre at Roehampton, working to improve the level of his fellow British coaches, while also attending training camps at venues such as the LTA’s Spanish base at La Manga.

Draper met Gilbert to discuss their potential partnership during Wimbledon. The LTA, once beleaguered by the bureaucracy of committees, now considers itself executive led and Draper’s initial insistence when named in the post was to lure the world’s best talent. Since that initial meeting, negotiations have been extended by lawyers on both sides and there have been several sticking points, most notably the LTA’s demands that Gilbert should live in Britain when not on the road with Murray. But the obstacles seem to have been surmounted and now there is a genuine belief that Gilbert could also eventually succeed Jeremy Bates as Britain’s Davis Cup captain. For the time being, the American has been invited by Bates to attend next weekend’s tie with Israel. “He’s coming because I would like him to be there,” said Bates. “Andy would like Brad to be there too and he’s got lots to offer.”

The move underlines the LTA’s belief that Murray is the standard-bearer who can raise the sport’s profile in Britain, most notably among the most physically gifted youngsters who hitherto have opted to take up other sports. The LTA previously budgeted £160,000 a year towards Murray’s coaching and other back-up, but Gilbert’s services come a lot more expensive than that.

Not only is he required to move from his home from San Rafael in northern California, but he is also expected to resign from commentating for ESPN, the American sports television channel, his employer since Roddick fired him after an alliance of 18 months in December 2004.

The prospect of working with one of the most talented young players on the ATP tour has sparked Gilbert’s imagination. But so, too, is the temptation of succeeding where his two most vehement critics have failed — both John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors came to primary agreements to work for the LTA before negotiations broke down.

Connors, the original architect of the seniors tour, so detested Gilbert that he refused to allow his fellow American to compete on the circuit. McEnroe once insisted that he was so shame-faced after being defeated by Gilbert, a player he maintained did not deserve to be on the same court as him, that he refused to play for the following six months. Many insist that the truculent New Yorker was never quite the same again.

Although Gilbert rose as high as fourth in the world rankings, won 20 singles titles and earned more than $5m in prize money from his competitive career, he made no claims that he was a gifted player and never got beyond the quarter- final of a Grand Slam tournament in 32 attempts. He famously penned a book entitled Winning Ugly, specifically designed to help lesser players beat more accomplished opponents.

But it was his acumen as a coach that won him accolades and he insisted: “I like coaching more than anything else I have done. And I’m in it for the long haul. As a coach I set out to be a motivator, a friend, an adviser, a go-getter. I work out the X’s and the O’s. I’m not one of these guys that hangs around for just a few months.”

Agassi initially saw the potential when Gilbert was still playing on the tour and the pair spent a total of eight years together, with the Las Vegan not only winning six Grand Slam titles, but revitalising his career after injuries had seen his ranking drop as low as 144 in the world. Within a year, he was back in the top 10 and he still credits Gilbert as his prime motivational force.

“For BG there was never a shortcut to success,” recalled Agassi after their split. “What Brad helped me with most was the ability to believe in myself by learning to think for myself. A great coach can lead you to a place where you don’t need him any more.”

After an 18-month hiatus, Gilbert answered a plea for help from Roddick in the summer of 2003 and within 36 hours was by the player’s side in London as he attempted to overcome the disappointment of an early French Open exit at Queen’s. Roddick won his first Stella Artois championship less than a week later and added four other titles before the end of the year, including the US Open.

Throughout the American hard court summer he won 27 of his 28 matches and by the beginning of November was world No 1. “With Brad the coolest thing was that it wasn’t all this technical mumbo-jumbo,” said Roddick, who, since dispensing with Gilbert’s services, has also parted with replacement Dean Goldfine and currently stands outside the world’s top 10 for the first time in four years. “He made it very simple,” said Roddick.

Such credentials should be perfect for Murray, who has repeatedly admitted that he has suffered greatly from a lack of guidance since parting with Mark Petchey in April. In the interim, Murray has sought the counsel of his mother Judy, his junior coach Leon Smith and the LTA’s physical consultant Jean-Pierre Bruyere.

Murray will undoubtedly benefit from Gilbert’s attention to detail. The American has long insisted that when the world’s best players compete, the slightest advantage or problem can make all the difference. He meticulously scouts opposition, lays out the day’s training process, formulates specific game plans for each opponent and is even prepared to act as a butler and valet, bringing in early morning breakfast and coffee to hotel rooms.

Hopefully, given the financial investment, he will revel in the environment, and Gilbert is clearly excited by the prospect of working with a player whose talent suggests he will be challenging for Grand Slams before too long. However, by reputation, Murray is not the easiest of characters and certain ground rules will be laid down early in the relationship. Going into a new partnership, one of Gilbert’s beliefs seems particularly apposite. “When you have two really strong personalities, there is either the potential for something great or something disastrous,” he said.

Nevertheless, he is a man who guarantees he will always be on call for his player wherever needed. As he repeatedly insists to those who employ him: “No matter what, I’ve got your back. Whatever it is. And when you go into battle, I’m there.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2094-2272105,00.html
Not_Even_Amateur

Wow this is great news. I would prefer it not to be a deal with the LTA though, I would sooner have Murray pay for his own full-time coach. When I saw an interview with Roger Draper during Wimbledon it seemed that BG would primarily used for the LTA, coaching young kids etc, and Andy may only make use of him when the LTA see fit. It may be better for two generations time of British tennis but for Murray I am not so sure!
PSALT

d*mn! he was the only good commentator!

Murray's temper is too much like Roddick's, I think he will get to a point where he refuses to improve. Not to mention he is coming up with the likes of Nadal and Gasquet who will crush him.
J-man

Well I hope Gilbert will show Murray without any improvement your going to get you butt kicked.

Murray is younger and doesn't have a push over sibling coaching him (Roddicks brother). So I think he would improve more easier than Roddick
PSALT

J-man wrote:
Well I hope Gilbert will show Murray without any improvement your going to get you butt kicked.

Murray is younger and doesn't have a push over sibling coaching him (Roddicks brother). So I think he would improve more easier than Roddick


Murray is bad tempered and stubborn. He dimantled Roddick at WImby, only to come out with an attitude that suggested that the world is against him against Baghdatis. He has a dirty mouth, I learned that in that match. I don't think he iwll ever get to #1 or win a Slam. I don't think he is good enough to ever size up to Federer, Nadal, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, or even Djokovic.
J-man

But that's tpo expect from a young/even y kid. Give him sometime
Not_Even_Amateur

PSALT wrote:
J-man wrote:
Well I hope Gilbert will show Murray without any improvement your going to get you butt kicked.

Murray is younger and doesn't have a push over sibling coaching him (Roddicks brother). So I think he would improve more easier than Roddick


Murray is bad tempered and stubborn. He dimantled Roddick at WImby, only to come out with an attitude that suggested that the world is against him against Baghdatis. He has a dirty mouth, I learned that in that match. I don't think he iwll ever get to #1 or win a Slam. I don't think he is good enough to ever size up to Federer, Nadal, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, or even Djokovic.


Yes, I think you are being silly. What are you basing this informed opinion on, exactly? Seems like a whole load of guesswork to me. Against Roddick he came out and showed signs of maturity. Against Baghdatis it was a different Murray, who is to say if the same Murray had turned out then he wouldn't have won?!

McEnroe was bad tempered. McEnroe had a "dirty mouth". Oh no! Not a dirty mouth! Heaven forbid...get yourself a bar of soap Andy, we have all spotted your dirty mouth! And...? Who cares? A "dirty mouth" doesn't effect his tennis.
PSALT

Not_Even_Amateur wrote:
PSALT wrote:
J-man wrote:
Well I hope Gilbert will show Murray without any improvement your going to get you butt kicked.

Murray is younger and doesn't have a push over sibling coaching him (Roddicks brother). So I think he would improve more easier than Roddick


Murray is bad tempered and stubborn. He dimantled Roddick at WImby, only to come out with an attitude that suggested that the world is against him against Baghdatis. He has a dirty mouth, I learned that in that match. I don't think he iwll ever get to #1 or win a Slam. I don't think he is good enough to ever size up to Federer, Nadal, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, or even Djokovic.


Yes, I think you are being silly. What are you basing this informed opinion on, exactly? Seems like a whole load of guesswork to me. Against Roddick he came out and showed signs of maturity. Against Baghdatis it was a different Murray, who is to say if the same Murray had turned out then he wouldn't have won?!

McEnroe was bad tempered. McEnroe had a "dirty mouth". Oh no! Not a dirty mouth! Heaven forbid...get yourself a bar of soap Andy, we have all spotted your dirty mouth! And...? Who cares? A "dirty mouth" doesn't effect his tennis.


Mcenroe's temper helped him, it raides his game. Tat obviously is not the same for Murray, his many temper tantrums (Poor me! Poor me!) have only hurt him. My pointing out his dirty mouth was an example of his foul attitude. He he the same age as Nadal, Gasquet, Berdytch, and many other young players but is the most immature and hot headed of the bunch. A bad attitude rarely helps a player, in fact Mcenroe is the only person I can remember that plays BETTER when he is upset. Being mad brings your game down, Murray is a great example of this. What is he now? 19 I believe? By this time Nadal had won a Slam, Berdych and Gasquet had beaten Federer, Djokovic has a slam QF, Monfils has a Masters SF (granted I do think Monfils will fall behind Murray) Murray is a step behind everyone else because of his temper. He is beyond stubborn, maybe that would change if Mommie Dearest would stop holding her son's career by the throat.
Not_Even_Amateur

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong!!!

Living in England means I know about 200% more of what you know about Murray and have probably seen him play many more times aswell.

His tantrums often raise his game. McEnroe himself has said "he is similar to me in that regard", they often compare him to McEnroe...he lets his fury go and then plays better. FACT. Against Baghdatis he played with a lack of passion and lost. When he is at his most passionate/volatile he is at his most pleasent best. Similar to McEnroe.

You couldn't be more wrong PSALT, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt...you are just not as informed as me on Murray, you are American, I am English. It would be like me knowing more about Roddick or any young American up-and-comer than you, I rarely would!
PSALT

Not_Even_Amateur wrote:
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong!!!

Living in England means I know about 200% more of what you know about Murray and have probably seen him play many more times aswell.

His tantrums often raise his game. McEnroe himself has said "he is similar to me in that regard", they often compare him to McEnroe...he lets his fury go and then plays better. FACT. Against Baghdatis he played with a lack of passion and lost. When he is at his most passionate/volatile he is at his most pleasent best. Similar to McEnroe.

You couldn't be more wrong PSALT, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt...you are just not as informed as me on Murray, you are American, I am English. It would be like me knowing more about Roddick or any young American up-and-comer than you, I rarely would!


about him as a person off the court you know much more than I do. there is no doubt about that. Murray came against Baghdatis grumpy and felt sorry for himself, whether you are British, American, Argentine, blue, purple, whatever you could see that. many of the matches he loses are because he comes out and acts like he did against Baghdatis, he has not learned to control his emotions and be a great competitor. whether you think he is talented or not is something will will have to agree to disagree on. he does need to stop pouting in his matches, he played well against Roddick, then came out like a spoiled teenager against Baghdatis. that is the biggest thing that seperates him from the likes of Nadal, attitude is many times the hardest thing to overcome.
Not_Even_Amateur

Yes, PSALT, but the fact still remains that Murray's temper does help him rather than hinder him. Like McEnroe. So the post before your last post was completely wrong. He loses matches when he is solemn/unresponsive/sulky...not hotheaded and volatile...those are his winning characteristics!!
PSALT

Not_Even_Amateur wrote:
Yes, PSALT, but the fact still remains that Murray's temper does help him rather than hinder him. Like McEnroe. So the post before your last post was completely wrong. He loses matches when he is solemn/unresponsive/sulky...not hotheaded and volatile...those are his winning characteristics!!


once again we will have to garee to disagree. on fact does remain though, he is unable to come out day in and day out and play his best. he has almost as many bad days as he does good ones. he has yet to step up and show the true heart that many of his peers have.
x.doublea

This will be wonderful for Murray. I think Gilbert can help calm Murray a bit. However, Gilbert changes his style a bit according to the player, so I think they won't be a problem. Things can only get better for Murray now.
Not_Even_Amateur

PSALT wrote:
Not_Even_Amateur wrote:
Yes, PSALT, but the fact still remains that Murray's temper does help him rather than hinder him. Like McEnroe. So the post before your last post was completely wrong. He loses matches when he is solemn/unresponsive/sulky...not hotheaded and volatile...those are his winning characteristics!!


once again we will have to garee to disagree. on fact does remain though, he is unable to come out day in and day out and play his best. he has almost as many bad days as he does good ones. he has yet to step up and show the true heart that many of his peers have.


Well you can say that if you like, but there is no agreeing or disagreeing, I am afraid this time you are simply wrong. I have watched him many times and like I said McEnroe himself made the same comments as me. Why you could possible be more informed than McEnroe on McEnroe's on court demeanour is beyond me, PSALT...you are wrong no the account of whether Murray's temper helps or hinders him. End of.
Tennis fan

IMHO Murray lacks the maturity of other young players. This is his biggest problem.

I have naver seen anyone go from top to bottom as he did at Wimby in the two matches against Roddick and Baghdatis. He just did not fight and instead was feeling sorry for himself: "Yeah, the refs are bad. So that's why I am loosing. Aha! Ok no problem. When will this match finish?"
x.doublea

In addition to a lack of maturity, another thing holding him back is that he's so injury prone. I can't think of any stretch where he hasn't gone two straight tournaments without injuring something. Or is that just giving up and retiring?
x.doublea

Very interesting news regarding Brad Gilbert:

http://www.marinij.com/businessprofiles/ci_4065981#

leftys_rock

Ooh, I should go to his store, it's not relatively far away. Laughing
x.doublea

It actually looks quite spacious, like that's just the Wilson section (in the picture).
dav6789

Not_Even_Amateur wrote:
Wow this is great news. I would prefer it not to be a deal with the LTA though, I would sooner have Murray pay for his own full-time coach. When I saw an interview with Roger Draper during Wimbledon it seemed that BG would primarily used for the LTA, coaching young kids etc, and Andy may only make use of him when the LTA see fit. It may be better for two generations time of British tennis but for Murray I am not so sure!


I agree with you. Murray has made a great decision to at least try this out. It may be a clash of 2 fiery characters, but Gilbert will do great for Murray's game, especially the physical side. I think the LTA are interfering too much (yes they did pay for him). Murray is supposed to be his own player and should have his own coach. Gilbert can't do alot for the LTA. The LTA should stay out of it.
PSALT

x.doublea wrote:
Very interesting news regarding Brad Gilbert:

http://www.marinij.com/businessprofiles/ci_4065981#



d*mn! this is what happens when you live in middle of the USA! 99.9% of all tennis related shops, events, ect. are on the East and West Coast! Evil or Very Mad
leftys_rock

Well, you're closer to Indianapolis and Cincinnati than I am. Laughing Lol, that's only 2 events though. I have like 6 events over here. Laughing And one of them is a super Tier 1/Masters Series event.
Brooke

Darn! Gilbert was a breath of fresh air on tv. I hate to see him leave.
x.doublea

Yes, he brought many interesting views to the table. He's going to do what he wants to do though, so he's got nothing to lose.
beachjm

Great move for both Gilbert and Murray. Murray could turn into a very, very good player. But he's still young and rough around the edges. Still, a lot of potential and he has some personality to boot. Gilbert is either a great coach or one who loves to tell you how good he is, but however you look at it the man gets results (Agassi and Roddick).
x.doublea

Plus, he has a great mind, and he can help in scouting. Like, when you can barely hit and you get to Number 4 in the world, you've got to have a great mind. This will help Murray; Murray can do with some scouting of opponents.

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